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		<title>Comment on A Rock and a Hard Place: Politics &amp; Spiritual Commitment by Aeon Eye</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2012/05/19/a-rock-and-a-hard-place-politics-spiritual-commitment/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aeon Eye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 14:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I rarely comment on blogs these days, but a few thoughts came to mind while reading this entry. I don&#039;t think anyone or anything can be truly spiritual in the material world. It&#039;s a dense miasma. All things in the material world are in a constant state of friction — almost everything has a schism — hence no one thing can be truly spiritual in this reality. That being said, just enjoy your life while you can, because life on earth is a fleeting moment. Ecclesiastes something to the affect of &quot;chasing after the wind&quot; when it comes to wordily struggles. 

Pauline Christianity was about salvation from the material world by a disincarnate spiritual savior. Modern Christianity today holds the opposite values and is actually has more in common with New Atheism then it cares to admit. Conservatives tout the philosophy of Ayn Rand — even Laveyan Satanism, for that matter — while professing the name Jesus. Ultimately, I think atheism is the religion for the materialists. I&#039;ve heard all the atheist rebuttals, and honestly, they&#039;re just preaching to the choir. I feel no reason to take the word of a materialist over one who believes in an Invisible God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely comment on blogs these days, but a few thoughts came to mind while reading this entry. I don&#8217;t think anyone or anything can be truly spiritual in the material world. It&#8217;s a dense miasma. All things in the material world are in a constant state of friction — almost everything has a schism — hence no one thing can be truly spiritual in this reality. That being said, just enjoy your life while you can, because life on earth is a fleeting moment. Ecclesiastes something to the affect of &#8220;chasing after the wind&#8221; when it comes to wordily struggles. </p>
<p>Pauline Christianity was about salvation from the material world by a disincarnate spiritual savior. Modern Christianity today holds the opposite values and is actually has more in common with New Atheism then it cares to admit. Conservatives tout the philosophy of Ayn Rand — even Laveyan Satanism, for that matter — while professing the name Jesus. Ultimately, I think atheism is the religion for the materialists. I&#8217;ve heard all the atheist rebuttals, and honestly, they&#8217;re just preaching to the choir. I feel no reason to take the word of a materialist over one who believes in an Invisible God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian &amp; Hermetic Compatibility by Charles Upton</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2009/06/14/christian-hermetic-compatibility/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Upton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 03:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Friends,
 
Greetings. I am the author of a book entitled Folk Metaphysics: Mystical Meanings in Traditional Folk Songs and Spirituals. My thesis is that some traditional folk ballads are tight little consciously-designed metaphysical essays, possibly composed by the Christian Hermeticists. Since you are probably more versed in that traditional than I am, you ought to be able to tell me how right (or wrong) I am. If you are in any way interested, let me know. (When I come to the exegesis of Verse 10 of the counting-song Green Grow the Rushes-o, I suddenly understand the Kabbalistic Tree of Life.) 
 
Sincerely,
Charles Upton]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>Greetings. I am the author of a book entitled Folk Metaphysics: Mystical Meanings in Traditional Folk Songs and Spirituals. My thesis is that some traditional folk ballads are tight little consciously-designed metaphysical essays, possibly composed by the Christian Hermeticists. Since you are probably more versed in that traditional than I am, you ought to be able to tell me how right (or wrong) I am. If you are in any way interested, let me know. (When I come to the exegesis of Verse 10 of the counting-song Green Grow the Rushes-o, I suddenly understand the Kabbalistic Tree of Life.) </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Charles Upton</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Chris Jones</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/about/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 05:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so pleased to have found your blog. It is exactly what I have been looking for. I feel like i have been led here, and look forward to commenting in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so pleased to have found your blog. It is exactly what I have been looking for. I feel like i have been led here, and look forward to commenting in the future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian &amp; Hermetic Compatibility by Kevin Duncan</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2009/06/14/christian-hermetic-compatibility/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Duncan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 06:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Christian Witch, was wondering can i also learn from the Hermetics, i got a book on Hermetics. I saw it when i was looking at book about being Christian Witch and when i found the book about Hermetics the little it told  about  it made it sound like i would be able to add it  into my learning, but from the intro of book makes me wonder if is true]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Christian Witch, was wondering can i also learn from the Hermetics, i got a book on Hermetics. I saw it when i was looking at book about being Christian Witch and when i found the book about Hermetics the little it told  about  it made it sound like i would be able to add it  into my learning, but from the intro of book makes me wonder if is true</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book: &#8220;Advaita Vedanta: A Philosophical Reconstruction&#8221; by Eliot Deutsch by holly traveller</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2011/12/28/book-advaita-vedanta-a-philosophical-reconstruction-by-eliot-deutsch/#comment-484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[holly traveller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello to the followers of the truth.
I’ll be glad to come and visit my blog.
My blog is about being familiar with Islamic ethics and Islamic Gnostic and also we can exchange our views about Islamic ideas.
You can ask any question about whatever which is ambiguous for you. I’ll answer that immediately.

Blog Addresses:     http://unionwithgod.wordpress.com/
                                  http://unionwithgod.blogfa.com/

Email Address:       waited.Imam@yahoo.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello to the followers of the truth.<br />
I’ll be glad to come and visit my blog.<br />
My blog is about being familiar with Islamic ethics and Islamic Gnostic and also we can exchange our views about Islamic ideas.<br />
You can ask any question about whatever which is ambiguous for you. I’ll answer that immediately.</p>
<p>Blog Addresses:     <a href="http://unionwithgod.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://unionwithgod.wordpress.com/</a><br />
                                  <a href="http://unionwithgod.blogfa.com/" rel="nofollow">http://unionwithgod.blogfa.com/</a></p>
<p>Email Address:       <a href="mailto:waited.Imam@yahoo.com">waited.Imam@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Hermetics &#8211; An Introduction by Thomas Allogenese</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2009/08/21/christian-hermetics-an-introduction/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Allogenese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 03:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was never any question about Valentin Tomberg&#039;s authorship; I just prefer to abide by his wishes and retain the &quot;anonymity&quot; of &quot;Meditations on the Tarot&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was never any question about Valentin Tomberg&#8217;s authorship; I just prefer to abide by his wishes and retain the &#8220;anonymity&#8221; of &#8220;Meditations on the Tarot&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: &#8220;This Way&#8221; by Jeremy Puma by Thomas Allogenese</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2012/02/15/book-review-this-way-by-jeremy-puma/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Allogenese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response, Jeremy! When you do have something more to say, I look forward to reading it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response, Jeremy! When you do have something more to say, I look forward to reading it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: &#8220;This Way&#8221; by Jeremy Puma by J</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2012/02/15/book-review-this-way-by-jeremy-puma/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the insightful and well-written review of my little work. I appreciate that you took so much time to compose it. I did want to mention a couple of points in response:

1. I am familiar with the work of M. Garver, and I do think that he is a bright spot. He has always and consistently been honest and forthcoming about his traditions, and I wholeheartedly support the work he is doing with the EGA. 

2. I wanted to reiterate that I do consider myself a Gnostic; the word &quot;Gnostic&quot; isn&#039;t problematic to me, it&#039;s the word &quot;Gnosticism.&quot; I base this understanding largely on modern scholarship.

3.  I appreciate your musings on whether the work as it stands at present could be expanded-- I indubitably agree. However, at the moment, I don&#039;t have anything more to say. :) Perhaps there will be future editions or sequels, and should this be the case, input from readers will of course contribute greatly to its contents. 

Thanks again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insightful and well-written review of my little work. I appreciate that you took so much time to compose it. I did want to mention a couple of points in response:</p>
<p>1. I am familiar with the work of M. Garver, and I do think that he is a bright spot. He has always and consistently been honest and forthcoming about his traditions, and I wholeheartedly support the work he is doing with the EGA. </p>
<p>2. I wanted to reiterate that I do consider myself a Gnostic; the word &#8220;Gnostic&#8221; isn&#8217;t problematic to me, it&#8217;s the word &#8220;Gnosticism.&#8221; I base this understanding largely on modern scholarship.</p>
<p>3.  I appreciate your musings on whether the work as it stands at present could be expanded&#8211; I indubitably agree. However, at the moment, I don&#8217;t have anything more to say. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Perhaps there will be future editions or sequels, and should this be the case, input from readers will of course contribute greatly to its contents. </p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Hermetics &#8211; An Introduction by Rafi Simonton</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2009/08/21/christian-hermetics-an-introduction/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rafi Simonton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In answer to your questions:  &quot;VT&quot; is Valentin Tomberg, the actual author of Meditations on the Tarot.  Aka &quot;MoT,&quot; the acronym used by some discussion groups.  The reason that MoT was published without the author&#039;s name (while he was still alive) is that he wanted the material to be examined in itself.   So as not to be judged by the character of the writer.

VT was of Baltic German descent. Thus familiar with Luthern German culture as well as the predominant culture of the area-- that of Orthodox Russians.  Orthodoxy, especially Russian, has a very different mind set than that of western Europe and the US.  Without going into all of the details, let me say that, while this is not strictly speaking true, it may be thought of as something like Tibetan Buddhism.  It&#039;s been my experience that most people know more about Buddhism than about the ancient  lineage of Eastern Orthodoxy.  Which is the form of Christianity followed by more than 250 million modern adherents. And no, it was never the same as Roman Catholicism.  The Latin churches and the Greek churches were once in communion, but the Orthodox were always independent. 

VT was a student of Rudolph Steiner.  Steiner is himself a fascinating character, who broke with the Theosophists because he thought their emphasis on Buddist/Hindu concepts was inappropriate for the west.  In addition, he disagreed with their dismissal of Christianity.  Both Helena Blavatsky (founder of Theosophy) and Steiner were first class mediums as well as terrific scholars of esoteric traditions.  The problem with the received material is that the rest of us have to take their word for it.  If we do, we&#039;re back to the same problem that people have with some Christian doctrines.  That because an authority says so, you&#039;re required to believe it.  In contrast to experiencing something directly and thus understanding it.

Because Tomberg converted to Roman Catholicism, he has a certain cachet among intellectual Catholics.  He wanted to convert to Orthodoxy.  But the priest with whom VT spoke was very uncomfortable with the tarot material.  An irony, I think, since I find it possible to connect both Tarot and Kabbalah with Orthodox icons and especially with the idea of theosis-- the deification, not only of humanity, but of all creation.  IMHO, Tomberg wanted to convert so as to channel some of the potential of esotericsm back into Christianity.  BTW, he wrote several other books and pamphlets.  The Theosophical Society bookstores are good places to find them or to order them.

I found your site during a search for Hermeticism ( I was looking to verify something.)  I totally agree that Hermeticism is indeed compatable with Hermetic doctrine.  Which early Christians, such as Clement of Alexandria, who were well-educated in Greek philosophy, would have taken for granted.  In fact, they explained Christianity to learned non-believers by means of philosophic concepts.  Which IMO is why there is a kind of &quot;Bible code&quot; in theNT.  If you&#039;ve never heard of that, look up the name John Michell.  Also Frederick Bligh Bond.  For some contemporary work on Christian gematria, find the books of Kieren Barry and especially that of David Fideler.  Not to mention the many Christian alchemists over the centuries.  Who in effect or in fact were Hermeticists.  

BTW, the Hermetic material that helped kick start the Renaissance was from the Orthodox territory of Constantinople.  Where the western Dark Ages never happened.  When that eastern &quot;Roman&quot; empire finally fell in 1453, the escaping monastics and/or academics brought the Hermetic material to Florence, Italy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to your questions:  &#8220;VT&#8221; is Valentin Tomberg, the actual author of Meditations on the Tarot.  Aka &#8220;MoT,&#8221; the acronym used by some discussion groups.  The reason that MoT was published without the author&#8217;s name (while he was still alive) is that he wanted the material to be examined in itself.   So as not to be judged by the character of the writer.</p>
<p>VT was of Baltic German descent. Thus familiar with Luthern German culture as well as the predominant culture of the area&#8211; that of Orthodox Russians.  Orthodoxy, especially Russian, has a very different mind set than that of western Europe and the US.  Without going into all of the details, let me say that, while this is not strictly speaking true, it may be thought of as something like Tibetan Buddhism.  It&#8217;s been my experience that most people know more about Buddhism than about the ancient  lineage of Eastern Orthodoxy.  Which is the form of Christianity followed by more than 250 million modern adherents. And no, it was never the same as Roman Catholicism.  The Latin churches and the Greek churches were once in communion, but the Orthodox were always independent. </p>
<p>VT was a student of Rudolph Steiner.  Steiner is himself a fascinating character, who broke with the Theosophists because he thought their emphasis on Buddist/Hindu concepts was inappropriate for the west.  In addition, he disagreed with their dismissal of Christianity.  Both Helena Blavatsky (founder of Theosophy) and Steiner were first class mediums as well as terrific scholars of esoteric traditions.  The problem with the received material is that the rest of us have to take their word for it.  If we do, we&#8217;re back to the same problem that people have with some Christian doctrines.  That because an authority says so, you&#8217;re required to believe it.  In contrast to experiencing something directly and thus understanding it.</p>
<p>Because Tomberg converted to Roman Catholicism, he has a certain cachet among intellectual Catholics.  He wanted to convert to Orthodoxy.  But the priest with whom VT spoke was very uncomfortable with the tarot material.  An irony, I think, since I find it possible to connect both Tarot and Kabbalah with Orthodox icons and especially with the idea of theosis&#8211; the deification, not only of humanity, but of all creation.  IMHO, Tomberg wanted to convert so as to channel some of the potential of esotericsm back into Christianity.  BTW, he wrote several other books and pamphlets.  The Theosophical Society bookstores are good places to find them or to order them.</p>
<p>I found your site during a search for Hermeticism ( I was looking to verify something.)  I totally agree that Hermeticism is indeed compatable with Hermetic doctrine.  Which early Christians, such as Clement of Alexandria, who were well-educated in Greek philosophy, would have taken for granted.  In fact, they explained Christianity to learned non-believers by means of philosophic concepts.  Which IMO is why there is a kind of &#8220;Bible code&#8221; in theNT.  If you&#8217;ve never heard of that, look up the name John Michell.  Also Frederick Bligh Bond.  For some contemporary work on Christian gematria, find the books of Kieren Barry and especially that of David Fideler.  Not to mention the many Christian alchemists over the centuries.  Who in effect or in fact were Hermeticists.  </p>
<p>BTW, the Hermetic material that helped kick start the Renaissance was from the Orthodox territory of Constantinople.  Where the western Dark Ages never happened.  When that eastern &#8220;Roman&#8221; empire finally fell in 1453, the escaping monastics and/or academics brought the Hermetic material to Florence, Italy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Sincere Call for Responses by Christopher J.P.S. Roberts</title>
		<link>http://christian-hermetic.com/2012/01/12/a-sincere-call-for-responses/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher J.P.S. Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an interesting question, and one that should be asked.
I know that some skeptics are quick to raise points along the lines of &quot;if you can poke someone&#039;s brain, and they feel the presence of God, then it obviously means that there is no God, and it&#039;s just in your brain.&quot;
My response to that, however, is that our feelings ultimately originate in the brain, and they&#039;re not any less real for it.
For me, it logically follows the &quot;mind&quot; requires &quot;brain&quot; ... after all, if it didn&#039;t, why would our sense of self flee just because we die?
That being said, I also see the temptation there to deny the soul or any continued essence following death.
I suppose the way I relate to it is like this:
I have a body, I have a soul.  These things are distinct, but interwoven, and who I am is a mixture of the two, my uniqueness is derived from both of these things.
Yes, the chemical things going on in my brain affect my sense of self, but perhaps that this the mechanism with witch I interact with the unseen world around me.
After all, a chemical change requires a stimulus, yes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting question, and one that should be asked.<br />
I know that some skeptics are quick to raise points along the lines of &#8220;if you can poke someone&#8217;s brain, and they feel the presence of God, then it obviously means that there is no God, and it&#8217;s just in your brain.&#8221;<br />
My response to that, however, is that our feelings ultimately originate in the brain, and they&#8217;re not any less real for it.<br />
For me, it logically follows the &#8220;mind&#8221; requires &#8220;brain&#8221; &#8230; after all, if it didn&#8217;t, why would our sense of self flee just because we die?<br />
That being said, I also see the temptation there to deny the soul or any continued essence following death.<br />
I suppose the way I relate to it is like this:<br />
I have a body, I have a soul.  These things are distinct, but interwoven, and who I am is a mixture of the two, my uniqueness is derived from both of these things.<br />
Yes, the chemical things going on in my brain affect my sense of self, but perhaps that this the mechanism with witch I interact with the unseen world around me.<br />
After all, a chemical change requires a stimulus, yes?</p>
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